You say it like every Youtuber and Streamer trashes "art" games, but that's not true. Games like The Magic Circle, To The Moon, That Dragon, Cancer or The Begginers Guide were generaly liked by them. Also you can't forget that your game kinda forces the "WTF" reaction on people. It attacks people with flashing colors, fucked up "music", bizzare artstyle, strange imagery and weird humor. It also kinda repeats it's point so much that "I get it" turns into "I fucking get it, stop".
my post "Day of the Devs" observations about how people view/treat art games and their creators
"Everything is going to be OK" was included in Double Fine's Day of the Devs. Yay!
This is probably the first time, outside of E3, that this game was shown to a more "gamer" crowd. By that I mean, much more consumer based. People without knowledge of art games or the discourse around them. Basically people expecting game-games, with goals, and magic circles, and in some way or another keeping up with the standards of game design...
I had some interesting experiences at Day of the Devs. It led to me already talking the ear off a friend with my venting (thank you for listening, love you), but I feel like it's important to share these observations. When people ask me how it went I don't like being critical of an event because I know how much work one involves, but I've been very transparent about how it was like working on this "game" so I'll keep doing that.
The transparency is important to me because I want other creators that set out to make this stuff to be ready for this (it might not happen to you, it might be bad luck on my part, but just know it happens). I would hate to see people leaving alt-games because they had bad experiences, so they decided not to make games anymore. There is a place for our games. We have a right to be here. We just have to work hard on also carving out the space, and understanding, for them.
Before sharing more, I want to make clear that I'm not at all dissing Double Fine. I don't want to be critical about this event. I love them. I loved the event. It was an honor to be there, but maybe (in retrospect) not that good of a thing for someone like me and the type of "game" this is.
The morning crowd was pretty awesome (press crowd). When the doors opened the place got crowded really fast. People either REALLY loved it or didn't get it, which is expected.
Around two in the afternoon, when people started to bring their kids, things started to get kinda hostile. They were pretty rude, and it got kinda unbearable, so I had to leave the area. I stopped hanging around the booth after that (I mean, I get it. The "game" doesn't belong).
I occasionally came to make sure they didn't delete the game. It wasn't ALL like this, but it was enough to be hard.
I point this out because the rude stuff was totally inline with how streamers and popular youtubers talk about these games: "What the fuck is this, what the hell, weird ass game, lol acid, haha who the hell would make this..." You know, the default slew of mockery. This came mostly from younger people.
It hit me how much influence streamers and youtubers have on public opinion of these games, and this is REALLY becoming a problem. I mean, I know it was before, but damn.
We should start talking about this, and some constructive criticism should exist toward how streamers talk about these games. I feel like this is a kind of pressure that's building and it's becoming unbearable.
It's negatively impacting how people are able to talk about art games, or even be open to these more experimental interactive experiences. Screaming "what the fuck" and all the other standard jokes, is not a good predominant attitude to propagate towards these "games", or their creators.
I think this also damages the medium because experimental creators should not be shunned or ridiculed like this. We have a right to be here too! A lot of thought goes into making these games the way they are. A lot of thought also goes into making them different. Philosophies, planning, putting the art together exactly the way it is, making sure it functions in an unexpected manner. It's DESIGNED to be this. We don't just throw a bunch of bullshit together and YOLO (although yes, we do that too, ok guilty as charged, but still). This isn't really a game. It's art. It matters that it's different. We WANT it to be different.
The popular dialogue around these games centers pretty much on the basis that they shouldn't exist, and if they do they exist to be laughed at.
Streaming kinda comes off as a public shaming them. It's not constructive AT ALL.
My feeling about this event, and showing something that's "what the hell is this, who would make this, lol acid", is that maybe if the event can't host them properly maybe they shouldn't include games like this. I'm so sorry to say that. I am SO gratefully that the game was shown there, and I'm honored, but I'm saying this because the creators get a lot of crap for this and this isn't an easy thing to endure. They are different, and will be met with hostility. It seems like they represent something too many people believe shouldn't be in games. They just should not exist.
These games, by their uniqueness, automatically have a target painted on their back. It's REALLY cool to ridicule them. Games made by women automatically do too.
I feel like some sensitivity, or understanding, that this will happen is necessary.
IndieCade does this so beautifully (speaking only from my experience, having had my work there a few times now). I mean, I was at E3 with "Everything is going to be OK" and was already bracing for loads of hostility and it didn't happen. People may not have "gotten" the game, but it wasn't direct rudeness or hostility.
I feel like, if you show games like this to total consumers audience, you have to prepare the audience for it. The setting and context has to be differentiated. You HAVE to create a space that basically screams "THESE ARE ART DON'T EXPECT A TRADITIONAL GAME". You have to make some kind of point that people have to be open minded. Create a space that encourages respect. I'm not criticizing the event. These are just my observations after all this.
I really love what Klondike did a couple (few?) years ago at Screenshake. I may be getting some details wrong because memory, but they set up this room with their games on laptops, and there where bean bags everywhere (very indie), and it was a totally dark loungey area. The atmosphere was really quiet there. Like people actually whispered and they didn't have to. Nobody told them to whisper. I was told they didn't intend for people to whisper but that was the outcome. I'm not saying that events like Day of the Devs should encourage whispering (no, stop, that's the wrong takeaway). I'm saying this because Klondike/Screenshake created an environment that had an outcome. It kind of directed people's behavior in a positive different way. It might not be the best example, but right now it's my one comfort-myself-with-this-example example.
Ok, anyways... My point is that wow Streamers and Youtubers have created a steadily growing culture where it's kosher and a fun pastime to laugh at these types of games.
We should be aware that this is a problem (more than maybe we thought). I don't know what to do about that. I really would like to encourage some constructive criticism toward Streamers and how they talk about these games. Just because some famous guy with whatever million followers plays it, this isn't an "honor" or necessarily a good thing. It doesn't really help sales, or exposure. The last time one did that I got a SLEW of hateful comments and email. It kind of hit me hard because this is also a personal game, and people will cater their attacks based on what they know I've been through.
The way Streamers treat these games can be really damaging. It sets a precedent to how other people will be behaving.
In light of a similar topic, I wrote a metoo on mastodon. Even though I said I might delete it I'm leaving it because here's to feeling free someday and hope. I have lots of hope. This game is about hope in dark times. I suppose all this stuff fits the subject matter and I should enjoy the irony of it.
Ok, I'm off to Fantastic Arcade now! Will be there to live collaborate on stage to make a game again. Yay!
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Hey. So… did you intentionally write a remark about the game that exactly resembles the rude ones brought up in this post? That's a pretty hurtful thing to do, and if you didn't mean to I hope you'll think more about the possible impact of your comments in the future.
I have no trouble believing that the games you mentioned were positively received. I'd argue all of them are very aesthetically palatable and were never likely to be subject to the kind of treatment talked about here. For hundreds of games I've seen on this site, just scrolling to the comments is enough to reveal an embedded YouTube video where the title or thumbnail alone shows that it's capitalising on how weird/messed up the game is. Even when it's done so in an appreciative way, some people lament the shallow nature of this kind of criticism, and I'd find it pretty sad if it became the default way of reacting to unconventional art.
I tried to be as repectful as possible in my post, but if something about it was hurtful, then I apologise.
I put some of my own thoughts about the game into it, and I don't know if I really enjoyed it, just because of how the whole thing felt like a acid trip and made my head hurt.
But I just want to say that I watched one stream from a channel called Vinesauce (I don't know if it's one of the streamers you bring up or not) and the streamer seemed rather confused by the game, but the people watching were rather torn about it: some hated it and called it pretentious, some people enjoyed it and understood it's message, and some had to quit watching because they were going through similiar things and it was too "real" for them.
I believe when you say that content creators use games like yours to be like "Hey guys check out this crazy game OMG who made this rofl lmao", and I understand that it may you feel hurt, but at the same time when something like this game gains a lot of attention, it's very likely that people will start talking trash about it.
I'm not very good at writing stuff like this, I'm a really akward person. But I hope that everything will go well for you, and that you won't let rude things people say get to you.
Thank you for your time.
hi sergiocornaga, thank you for this comment. Someone reported the previous (rude) one but I’m leaving it up because it illustrates my point, and irony is a great thing.
just wanted to thank you for saying something supportive. ❤️